easily saying, yeah, we can go over the fiscal cliff. but at the end of the day, this is a president, he would have to own it. he may not say he has to own the recession. but if we go over that, he has to own that. >> he knows that. >> and that's something he definitely knows. >> i think he agrees with bob that the recession would be his problem. >> it would be a giant disaster. he needs to improve things and show that he's a leader. and, you know, here's the big question, whether he's miscalculated by coming out and saying, we have to raise taxes on the upper brackets. that is a red line. >> right. >> and, you know, for -- newt knows this way too well. there are so many republicans in the house that that is against doctrine. that will get the "wall street journal" editorial page spinning, and that means a lot. to a lot of households. >> we need to get to a break. but after the break, 2016 is taking shape. some of the moves made in the republican party, we'll get into that. and of course the election may be sooner than we think, even tho